Species Listing

Actually, since its mostly a thing on your part of you in particular not wanting to deal with it for whatever reason, delegate to someone else like Cru, who see,s perfectly happy to work on that sort of thing.

@Gyro  
Sorry dude but pushing it onto someone else doesn’t just mean you get your way.

@LightningBolt  

 
mammal, mammal, mammal, Untagged, untagged, untagged, ghost or Undead- depending on broadness desired, untagged.
 
That was harrrddd! /sarcastic
 
You’re misrepresenting the argument to say that all pokemon have to be tagged with an impliaction. If there’s nothing that it represents, then it just is. This is the perfectionist fallacy at its core.

@LightningBolt  

 

 
:P
 
IMO if a pokemon looks like a bird it should be a bird and when it doesn’t look like anything it should be just a pokemon.
 
If we defined bird as a creature with two legs, wings, feathers and a beak (and also applicable for hybrids so that gryphon gets this tag) then it would be a bird.
 
If we defined a mammal as a creature with fur or soft, dry skin (like humans, hairless cats, naked mole-rats), then eevee would be a mammal, it has fur:  

 
In the cases where it’s not clear in their canon form, don’t imply it.
 
If someone draws eevee as not having fur or pidgey as not having feathers or a beak, delete the tag in the same way the “pony” tag gets deleted on unicorns and pegasi that look like full-sized horses and not MLP ponies.

@Gyro  
Correct, I just wanted no debates, and you seem to refuse to stop until I cave, and I refuse to cave.
 

Casual discrimination is still discrimination. Your policy makes things harder to find, even if that’s not the intention. It is indeed the effect of the policy, which is discriminatory and specieist towards those within the pokemon community, and those who have pokemon OCs.
 
You are right now just not wanting to give in to an argument that is perfectly reasonable because at this point you’d be admitting you are wrong. I’m sorry you’re wrong. I know it sucks realizing you’re wrong, and so you put your foot down harder and scream into the void with your flashing text, but pronouncing your speciesism to the world does not make it more right.

@LightningBolt  

 

 
@LightningBolt  

 
 
Ah so we can at least alias these. You heard him cru.

I’m just going to weigh in on this because I’ve been forwarded by a friend, since I’m likely going to stick around the site for a few years (if the mods let me :P).
 
My opinion exactly mirrors CruFox’s here. Especially:
 
 

 
If it looks like a bird, it should be labelled as a bird. That’s just useful, as an end user of the site. Arguments happen, debates happen, but it’s still fundamentally useful. I would argue the goal should be to make life easy for the primary users of the site. If you need to auto lock arguments about whether pidgey is a bird or a scalie, that’s your prerogative.
 
But personally, it’s correct that Eeevee is a mammal, and Pidgey is a bird. Arguing they shouldn’t be seems… crazy to me personally.

i probably missed a lot but whatever
 
no one is saying you can’t tag a species tag on pokemon images, all that is being said is that it won’t be an implication.

@Donin
 
I’m aware, I just wanted to make it clear that “oh, having a way to grab all the avian pokemon would be super great.” as an end user. Which, based on the following comment by LightningBolt:
 

 
So I’ll be the person chime to say that this would be great to have from a user perspective.
 
 
I think long term you’ll also have problems as new users join the site if you don’t have implications for these things. So, I’d go against LightningBolt’s argument here. I’m not sure I agree with their argument at all for not doing the implication. I can think of good reasons why you don’t want an implication, but I believe that “too much arguing about it” is a poor reason.
 
But that’s just my humble opinion.

Rather than constantly reiterating points trying to convince each other to change their minds, I suggest taking the time to make lists of the various tags you wish applied to pokemon, and the specific pokemon that would fall under that tag. All of them.
 
I would not get your hopes up that the tags will be implied because I’m with LB on this, but that legwork will help in creating an alternative solution.

@Wingbeat  
Here you are, all pokemon on the site. We’ll deal with the others as species tags arise.
 
Tsareena -> animated plant  
lilligant -> animated plant  
eevee -> mammal  
Umbreon -> mammal  
glaceon -> mammal  
flareon -> mammal  
Jolteon -> mammal  
leafeon -> mammal  
espeon -> mammal  
sylveon -> mammal  
vaporeon -> mammal  
nickit -> mammal, fox, canine  
thievul -> mammal, fox, canine  
zeroara -> mammal  
Regigigas -> animated machine  
zeroara -> mammal, canine, jackal  
Pikachu -> mammal, rodent  
Sirfetch’d -> bird  
Zorua -> mammal, canine  
braixen -> mammal, canine, fox, fennec  
fennekin -> mammal, canine, fox, fennec  
arcanine -> mammal, canine, dog  
growlithe -> mammal, canine, dog  
gardevoir -> untagged  
latias -> untagged  
latios -> untagged  
Zoroark -> mammal  
Zangoose -> mongoose  
houndoom -> mammal, canine  
beedrill -> insect, arthropod, bee  
nikoking -> mammal  
stantler -> deer, cervid, mammal  
vespiquen -> insect, arthropod, bee  
typlosion -> mammal, mustelid  
drizzlie -> reptile, lizard  
rayquaza -> dragon, lindwurm  
houndour -> mammal, canine  
bulbasaur -> reptile  
squirtle -> reptile, turtle  
charmander -> reptile, dragon  
luxray -> mammal  
charizard -> dragon, western dragon  
dragonair -> dragon, wyrm  
serperior -> reptile, snake  
chikorita -> they’re modeled after sauropods, but that’s not apparent til later in the evolutionary line really. Chikorita might just stand alone. Or it might get the dinosaur tag. This one is less clear.  
delphox -> mammal, canine, fox, fennec  
meowstic -> mammal, feline, cat  
yveltal -> bird  
deoxys -> alien  
blaziken -> bird  
joktic -> arthropod, tick  
toucannon -> bird, toucan  
Riolu -> mammal, canine  
hatterene -> untagged  
torracat -> mammal, feline, cat  
brionne -> mammal, seal  
dartrix -> bird, owl  
buizel -> mammal, mustelid, otter  
gengar -> undead, ghost  
pansear -> mammal, monkey  
politoed -> frog, amphibian  
totadile -> reptile, crocodilian  
keldeo -> mammal, unicorn, equine  
alohan vulpix -> kitsune, fox, canine, mammal  
vulpix -> kitsune, fox, canine, mammal  
incineroar -> mammal, feline  
Suicune -> mammal  
midnight lycanroc -> mammal, werewolf, canine  
lycanroc -> mammal, canine  
midday lycanroc -> mammal, wolf, canine  
mega lopunny -> mammal, lagomorph  
lopunny -> mammal, lagomorph  
rockruff -> mammal, canine, dog  
klefki -> animated object  
nidoqueen -> mammal  
absol -> mammal  
mega absol -> mammal  
mightyena -> mammal, canine, hyena  
ninetails -> mammal, fox, kitsune  
dratini -> dragon, wyrm  
flygon -> dragon, western dragon  
grovyle -> dinosaur, raptor (we probably ought to really have theropod, that raptor -> to. That fits better)  
koffing -> untagged  
tropius -> dinosuar, sauropod  
alohan exeggutor -> animated plant  
alohan meowth -> mammal, feline, cat  
carvanha -> fish  
exeggutor -> animated plant  
feebas -> fish  
feralligator -> crocodilian, reptile  
horsea -> fish, seahorse  
hydreigon -> dragon, hydra  
snivy -> lizard, reptile  
raichu -> mammal, rodent  
wooper -> axolotl, amphibian  
Snorlax -> mammal  
sandygast -> animated object  
quilfish -> fish, pufferfish  
mudkip -> amphibian  
meowth -> feline, mammal, cat  
maril -> mammal  
magikarp -> fish, carp  
lugia -> bird (its got a beak) or Dragon maybe both, or neither. This is one of the weird edge cases.  
diglett -> mammal  
corsola -> fish, coral  
dusk lycanroc -> mammal, canine  
pancham -> panda, mammal, bear  
chespin -> mammal  
budew -> animated plant  
milotic -> wyrm, dragon  
vanillish -> animated object  
seviper -> snake, reptile  
noctowl -> bird, owl  
chinchou -> fish  
jellicent -> invertebrate, jellyfish  
trapinch -> invertebrate, insect  
spheal -> mammal, seal  
scraggy -> reptile, lizard  
cutiefly -> invertebrate, insect  
luvdisc -> fish  
finneon -> fish  
froakie -> frog, amphibian  
mew -> mammal  
swablu -> bird  
altaria -> bird  
Mega altaria-> bird  
shaymin -> mammal  
quilava -> mustelid, mammal  
grookey -> monkey, mammal  
persian (pokémon) -> mammal, cat, feline  
charmeleon -> reptile, dragon  
cinderace -> mammal, lagomorph  
inteleon -> reptile, lizard  
reuniclus -> untagged  
wooloo -> mammal, sheep  
salazzle -> reptile, lizard  
mewtwo -> mammal  
scorbunny -> mammal, lagomorph  
seaking -> fish  
gyrados -> dragon, sea serpent  
minccino -> mammal, rodent, chinchilla  
luxio -> mammal  
ponyta -> mammal, horse, equine  
paxhirisu -> mammal, rodent, squirrel  
pichu -> mammal, rodent  
aerodactyl -> dinosaur, pterodactyl  
tynamo -> fish  
fletchinder -> bird  
obstagoon -> mammal, mustelid, badger  
rapidash -> mammal, unicorn, equine  
corviknight -> bird, corvid  
ho-oh -> bird  
raboot -> mammal, lagomorph  
furret -> ferret, mammal, mustelid  
dewott -> mammal, mustelid, otter  
cyndiquil -> mammal, echidna, monotreme  
kirlia -> untagged  
floatsel -> mammal, mustelid, otter  
archeops -> dinosaur, theropod  
omanyte -> invertibrate, ammonite (maybe not needed unless we get others? idk how common ammonites are in the furry fandom)  
sheildon -> dinosaur, Ceratops  
noibat -> mammal, bat  
primarina -> mammal, seal  
bayleef -> dinosaur, sauropod  
gallade -> untagged  
salandit -> reptile, lizard  
fletchling -> bird  
tepig -> mammal, pig  
swellow -> bird, swallow  
torchic -> bird  
goodra -> dragon  
rattatta -> rodent, mammal  
Mimmikyu -> untagged  
pidgeotto -> bird  
pidgeot -> bird  
pidgey -> bird, sparrow, rock sparrow  
azumarill -> mammal  
arbok -> snake, reptile  
cofagrigus -> animated object
 

 
Additionally  
raptor -> theropod  
crocodile -> crocodilian  
alligator -> crocodilian  
chinchilla -> rodent  
squirrel -> rodent  
Feridae -> original species, mammal

@Gyro
 
They should not imply real species or genera, like “sparrow”, “fox”, “fennec”, “jackal”, “pterodactyl” etc. I would say family like “canine” at most, but maybe it would be best to leave it on “mammal”, “bird”, level.

@CruFox  
I’m fine with not doing real species, if thats as far as we want to take it, but I think canine, feline, seal, lizard, snake, etc are probably important. Those define body shape a fair bit. Basically overarching visual class, and sometimes that may mean a species in a one species family or w/e
 
A snake is as different to an aligator, as a lizard is to a bird, in visual appearance.
 
Also Aerodactyl should probably be pterosaur then

Taking Cru’s suggestions in mind, and also regexed it to make wingbeatpony happy. Note, untagged being a tag is a consequence of the regex, and I cant be bothered to go through and fix em.
 
Tsareena → animated plant,  
lilligant → animated plant,  
eevee → mammal  
Umbreon → mammal  
glaceon → mammal  
flareon → mammal  
Jolteon → mammal  
leafeon → mammal  
espeon → mammal  
sylveon → mammal  
vaporeon → mammal  
nickit → mammal, canine  
thievul → mammal, canine  
zeroara → mammal  
Regigigas → animated machine  
zeroara → mammal, canine  
Pikachu → mammal, rodent  
Sirfetch’d → bird  
Zorua → mammal, canine  
braixen → mammal, canine  
fennekin → mammal, canine  
arcanine → mammal, canine  
growlithe → mammal, canine  
gardevoir → untagged  
latias → untagged  
latios → untagged  
Zoroark → mammal  
Zangoose → mongoose  
houndoom → mammal, canine  
beedrill → insect, arthropod, bee  
nikoking → mammal  
stantler → deer, cervid, mammal  
vespiquen → insect, arthropod, bee  
typlosion → mammal, mustelid  
drizzlie → reptile, lizard  
rayquaza → dragon, lindwurm  
houndour → mammal, canine  
bulbasaur → reptile  
squirtle → reptile, turtle  
charmander → reptile, dragon  
luxray → mammal  
charizard → dragon, western dragon,  
dragonair → dragon, wyrm  
serperior → reptile, snake  
chikorita → they’re modeled after sauropods, but that’s not apparent til later in the evolutionary line really. Chikorita might just stand alone. Or it might get the dinosaur tag. This one is less clear.  
delphox → mammal, canine  
meowstic → mammal, feline  
yveltal → bird  
deoxys → alien  
blaziken → bird  
joktic → arthropod, tick  
toucannon → bird, toucan  
Riolu → mammal, canine  
hatterene → untagged  
torracat → mammal, feline  
brionne → mammal, seal  
dartrix → bird, owl  
buizel → mammal, mustelid  
gengar → undead, ghost  
pansear → mammal, monkey  
politoed → frog, amphibian  
totadile → reptile, crocodilian  
keldeo → mammal, unicorn, equine  
alohan vulpix vulpix → canine, mammal  
vulpix → canine, mammal  
incineroar → mammal, feline  
Suicune → mammal  
midnight lycanroc → mammal, canine  
lycanroc → mammal, canine  
midday lycanroc → mammal, canine  
mega lopunny → mammal, lagomorph  
lopunny → mammal, lagomorph  
rockruff → mammal, canine  
klefki → animated object,  
nidoqueen → mammal  
absol → mammal  
mega+absol → mammal  
mightyena → mammal, canine  
ninetails → mammal, kitsune  
dratini → dragon, wyrm  
flygon → dragon, western dragon,  
[grovyle → dinosaur, raptor (we probably ought to really have theropod, that raptor](/tags/grovyle) → dinosaur, raptor (we probably ought to really have theropod, that raptor → to. That fits better)  
koffing → untagged  
tropius → dinosuar, sauropod  
alohan exeggutor exeggutor → animated plant,  
alohan meowth meowth → mammal, feline  
carvanha → fish  
exeggutor → animated plant,  
feebas → fish  
feralligator → crocodilian, reptile  
horsea → fish, seahorse  
hydreigon → dragon, hydra  
snivy → lizard, reptile  
raichu → mammal, rodent  
wooper → axolotl, amphibian  
Snorlax → mammal  
sandygast → animated object,  
quilfish → fish, pufferfish  
mudkip → amphibian  
meowth → feline, mammal  
maril → mammal  
magikarp → fish, carp  
lugia → bird (its got a beak) or Dragon maybe both, or neither. This is one of the weird edge cases.  
diglett → mammal  
corsola → fish, coral  
dusk lycanroc → mammal, canine  
pancham →, mammal, bear  
chespin → mammal  
budew → animated plant,  
milotic → wyrm, dragon  
vanillish → animated object,  
seviper → snake, reptile  
noctowl → bird, owl  
chinchou → fish  
jellicent → invertebrate, jellyfish  
trapinch → invertebrate, insect  
spheal → mammal, seal  
scraggy → reptile, lizard  
cutiefly → invertebrate, insect  
luvdisc → fish  
finneon → fish  
froakie → frog, amphibian  
mew → mammal  
swablu → bird  
altaria → bird  
Mega altaria → bird  
shaymin → mammal  
quilava → mustelid, mammal  
grookey → monkey, mammal  
persian (pokémon) → mammal, feline  
charmeleon → reptile, dragon  
cinderace → mammal, lagomorph  
inteleon → reptile, lizard  
reuniclus → untagged  
wooloo → mammal, sheep  
salazzle → reptile, lizard  
mewtwo → mammal  
scorbunny → mammal, lagomorph  
seaking → fish  
gyrados → dragon, sea serpent,  
minccino → mammal, rodent  
luxio → mammal  
ponyta → mammal, horse, equine  
paxhirisu → mammal, rodent  
pichu → mammal, rodent  
aerodactyl → dinosaur, pterosaur  
tynamo → fish  
fletchinder → bird  
obstagoon → mammal, mustelid  
rapidash → mammal, unicorn, equine  
corviknight → bird, corvid  
ho-oh → bird  
raboot → mammal, lagomorph  
furret → mammal, mustelid  
dewott → mammal, mustelid  
cyndiquil → mammal, monotreme  
kirlia → untagged  
floatsel → mammal, mustelid  
archeops → dinosaur, theropod  
omanyte → invertebrate, ammonite (maybe not needed unless we get others? idk how common ammonites are in the furry fandom)  
sheildon → dinosaur, Ceratops  
noibat → mammal, bat  
primarina → mammal, seal  
bayleef → dinosaur, sauropod  
gallade → untagged  
salandit → reptile, lizard  
fletchling → bird  
tepig → mammal, pig  
swellow → bird, songbird  
torchic → bird, pheasant  
goodra → dragon  
rattatta → rodent, mammal  
Mimmikyu → untagged  
pidgeotto → bird  
pidgeot → bird  
pidgey → bird, songbird  
azumarill → mammal  
arbok → snake, reptile  
cofagrigus → animated object,

Additionally separating this out because they’re other changes that have become apparent.  
Additionally  
raptor → theropod  
crocodile → crocodilian  
alligator → crocodilian  
chinchilla → rodent  
squirrel → rodent  
Feridae → original species, mammal  
Also, we should probably add songbird to sparrows, swallows, and all the other little singing birds. Its on the equivalent of ‘hawk’
 
 
chimera  
orangutan

I would say espeon is feline, just from appearance and its resemblance to the nekomata & bakeneko (cat yokai, the former with two/split tails.) Others would just be mammal though, they’re pretty ambiguous.

@Gyro  
I would not call Zeraora a jackel, or Pikachu a rodent, or Beedrill a bee (it’s a hornet), or Rayquaza a specific type of dragon, or Bulbasaur a reptile (it’s a toad), or Charizard or Dragonite any kinds of dragons, or Yveltal a bird (it is but not entirely), or Brionne a seal (it could be a sea lion), I don’t think I’d call Nidoqueen a mammal, would not call Dratini or Flygon types of specific dragons, would not call Grovyle a raptor, or or Snivy a lizard (it’s still a SNAKE), or Magikarp a carp, or Speal a seal (it could again be a sea lion, names don’t count those lie and change per language), or Charmeleon a dragon (it’ a fucking lizard), or Salazzle a lizard (it’s a salamander), or Gyarados a sea serpent, or or Pichu a rodent, or Aerodactl a pteranodon (there is a fuckton of flying reptiles and you pick that one?), why can’t Archeops be a raptor, Primarina could be a sea lion again and it has siren elements, Salandit is a salamander, Torchic isn;’t a fucking PHEASANT, why does Swellow have to be a SONGBIRD, or Pidgey.
 
See, this is why making all these implications is a bad idea.
 
I could even maybe fucking settle for the basic ones like ‘bird’ and ‘mammal’ fine, but you go way too far, makes assumptions, many of them wrong or unhelpful or too specific.

@LightningBolt  

 
I believe this might be the best way to go, alongside bird and such.

I’m just saying, if I was looking for dragons I’d be very annoyed to see a Charmeleon in there. Likewise if I search for jackels I would not want to see Zeraora, that thing is a straight up cat or tiger.

Jackal was missed tbh, I removed all the specific canines, and pterodon was meant to be pterosaur.
 
As far as seal vs sea lion, sea lions are a type of seal (common name) for pinnipeds. It works for either. Sea lion -> seal if it doesnt already.
 
Sure, beedrill can probably be knocked back to just insect.
 
Rayquaza fits that type of dragon given that dragons are classified by looks.  
Like Charizard does, like dragonite does  
Dragini and flygon  
garados  

 
Yveltal is close enough to fall under given that beak, two legs, wings, maybe feathers? ambiguous.
 
Nidoqueen is a little more ambiguous, but the prior evolution are pretyt clear. And I think that the whole evolutionary line can certainly be considered for maybe cases.
 
Grovyle is at least a theropod, and I suggested using that much.
 
magicarp is based on a koi, which is a type of carp.
 
Salazzle, nor salandit are definitley not salamander though, despite the name. They are shown to live in arid enviroments, which is not condusive at all to amphibians.
 
Pichu is the unevolved pikachu and raichu, both of which are rodents. Bulbapedia has it as a rodent, and has a body type like a squirrel
 
See my discussion on grovyle, or did you compeltely ingnore that for archeops? Theropod is probably better for both, so that we dont get ‘too specific.’
 
Torchic is modeled after a chicken right? But we’re avoiding specific tags on pokemon, thus pheasant, since chickens are pheasants. My choices here were quite deliberate, so please educate yourself.
 
Same with Songbird, we’re not using the latin names where real ones are available. Songbird encompasses sparrows, swallows, corvids, and a fair few other small perching birds. Its probably the best bird bodytype we can use on the site for that class.

@Fleetfoot  
So…you’re saying that we shouldnt tag turtle or snake, or lizard? I’d be very annoyed looking for snake vore and not being able to find serviper or Serperior, especially considering that they comprise a large portion of such. I dont think its far off.
 
Also I’d point out that lighting did not quibble with the vast majority of felines and canines, or my other choices there. So this is a case of baby and bathwater.

@Gyro  
@Gyro  
Theye’re fictional creatures and cannot be pigionholed into such specific things and not everyone will agree or want that. AGAIN, just because YOU may want to see Grovyle when looking for dinosaurs does not me EVERYONE does, I don’t, but you’ve already showed that my opinion is not important to you.
 
You can search for multiple tags at once, stop making it an issue that everyone needs to do and debate and nitpick and live with when everyone may not like it or want it.
 
I didn’t nitpick every single species you listed as it wasn’t worth the time and effort, and there’s only so many times I can say “i don’t agree and want this at all please stop”.

@LightningBolt  
Sure, but that becomes impossible when you have 100 different pokemon birds for example. The same logic applies to the opposite you know, if you did not wanna see charmeleon while searching for dragon, you could -charmeleon. Hey look at that! Or if you dont wanna see pokemon at all, -pokemon, hey look at that!
 
In this case though, it vastly improves usability because you cant search tags that are not there. If a few things get overtagged that is less of an issue than undertagging, because undertagged stuff has no visibility.
 
If I upload an image with 3 tags, then it will essentialy never get seen, even if it would fall under other people’s queries if tagged properly. If I upload an image and overtag it, it may show up where it doesnt belong, until someone comes along and removes the reptile tag from my humanized snivy.
 
You are repeatedly being hypocritical regarding this whole thing. Pokemon are not a special fucking case within this whole deal.
 
Even your own site underlings who agreed with you in the past think you’re being hypocritcal here.  

 
Also slipepry slope is a fallacy.

@Gyro  

According to Wikipedia:
 

 
and chicken is not listed there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheasant
 
But in the Phasianinae article, the Phasianidae family is called “pheasant family”. I don’t think using the same name for a specific genera/species and a family is a good idea. There is other classification on the order level, those bird ale called landfowl
 

 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/landfowl
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galliformes
 
If the name is confusing it’s better to use higher level classifications, just like owls are not a family, but an order or like snakes are not a family, but a suborder.