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@Fleetfoot  
We’re discussing ethics and affecting change, not politics, its just tangential to the conversation.

@Gyro  
I’ll vote 3rd party or not at all in this election. Guess it’s third party then.

Just letting everyone know if I get any report because of #politics I’ll be very upset >_>

Not voting doesn’t take away consent. Instead it merely makes you passively acquiescent to whoever gets into power. The way the people in power see it, it means YOU DO NOT CARE and so they can do what they want. There are terrible aspects about both parties, and in many ways they are similar, but that is not to say that there are no differences and that one party wont actively cause more harm than the other. I dont like either candidate, but I can recognize that one candidate will lead to less overall harm than the other. One candidate is able to be pushed, and has shown that, by moving further on some important policy matters, including pursuit on anti global warming measure, (Though yes, still not far enough)
 
Which ethical system to you follow then, where it is acceptable to allow more harm to come to people through inaction? Voting is not consent so much as one action that can lead to harm reduction.
 
Seatbelts kill people too when they might have otherwise survived an accident, but in most cases the opposite is true. Sometimes harm reduction includes realizing that harm may increase in other areas even as the net harm overall decreases. To choose to say fuck it, I dont care which choice harms people less is to help lead to more harm overall.
 

 
 
So I ask again, what theory of change are you following where not voting will lead to the change you want to see, rather than voting for at least harm mitigation?

I will not be complicit in giving the highest power in the land to someone who will continue to use that power to fuck over millions of people. It doesn’t matter if it’s “slightly less fuckery” than the other guy. It’s still wrong and I’m not going to be shamed and ridiculed for not being complicit in giving them that power.

When you vote for someone, you give them consent to rule over you and make decisions with your tax dollars. You have to live with what they do on your conscience, with the power that you gave them. Remember that.

@Gyro  
It doesn’t. We’re pretty screwed either way.
 
Now if you like one of the candidates or something, that’s fine and you’re entitled to your opinion.
 
But to see my perspective, pretend the candidates are Hitler and Stalin, with (insert candidate you’re okay with here) running in a 3rd party that is guaranteed to get fewer than 5% of the popular vote. What good does voting do in that scenario? I used to think that voting for the 3rd party would send a message to “Stalin’s” camp saying, “Hey I like your party, but you’re a phony who won’t actually bring about positive change.
 
Now I’m looking at it and I’m like, “They’re too stupid to even care who I vote for. If my candidate loses the primary, which I already voted in close to a year ago, then I’m pretty much screwed. I already voted. My candidate lost. Why vote again? The “lesser evil” is a myth.
 
Both candidates are war hawks who will be responsible for thousands of innocents dead in the middle east. Both will continue to fund Israel and Turkey who in turn are funding Azerbaijan to slaughter Armenians in the Nagorno-Karabakh region. 97% of the gravesites in the region have Armenian names and there are thousands of Armenian cultural sites there, yet the media portrays it as a “disputed territory” without picking sides even as shells with Israel and our names’ on them fly into Armenian fucking churches.
 
I’m not having that on my conscience. I’m not voting for someone who doesn’t give a flying fuck. Neither of the frontrunners can be trusted with our military and trusted to care about innocent human lives. Fuck em both, they’re both criminals and I hope they both die soon. This country is so fucked, but at least if Trump wins, then the bastard is out in 4 years and we have a chance at a real progressive in office 4 years from now, whereas if Biden wins we might not have a real progressive in office for 12 or 16 years- bare minimum of at least 8.

@OliverHancock  
What is your theory of change? How does that get enacted through nonvoting?

I think I’m not even going to vote this year. They know my demographic and why I’m not voting. I don’t think writing a reasonable candidate in the blank is even going to help anything.

@OliverHancock  
I feel for you…

@Nightweaver20xx  
yeah i didnt know though

@Procerus  
Well I mean Eddie did have cancer, we knew that. Not too much surprise there. He was an amazing musician though.

can’t believe van halen is gone

@Ciaran  
My grandma is still here, but my best friend lost his great aunt and his cousin due to covid-19, and I’m worried with all the covidiots in my neck of the woods that my grandma is gonna be next… Seriously, my state is 5th worst in the nation and my county is 3rd in the state… People give me dirty looks for walking around wearing a gas mask, but it ain’t funny when you know you coild lose the people closest to you.
 
But yeah… No sense in talking about it any further.

Hey, we seem to be getting in to a very political territory with some of these posts, which is not this thread’s goal. Now that it seems to be over let’s please let that lie and get this thread get back on-topic.
 
@OliverHancock  
I’m sorry you lost your grandmother. That can be very painful - I hope you and your family are doing ok.

Actually, to avoid further conflict, and because people here really don’t want to know what I really think about this situation, I’m going to not say anything further on the topic.

I’m still walking around with a sign that says, “You killed my grandma” and a picture of her after the funeral to show to maskholes if she gets this and passes. It’s getting really bad in my area again.

@OliverHancock  
Many of those countries aren’t testing or reporting like we are, so we don’t really know.

@Goku Black  
I know what you mean, but if you think about it, it’s practically our virus now. I think you can count the number of countries with higher per capita covid-19 deaths than us on one hand, especially if you don’t count outliers from countries with tiny populations to begin with. Only Peru and Chile and a couple others have higher death counts than us, last time I checked, and even though they have millions of people, they’re still very small compared to us.

@OliverHancock  
As of two months ago

@MagpulDynamicPie  
Yep, though last I checked, they had gone dormant on any further discussion of that with the public. Same with the military. Actually, I take that back, if I remember correctly, I had read part of a statement saying they “hadn’t ruled it out,” that it was “an ongoing investigation,” and that it was “one of two remaining possible origins, after (they) determined the 3rd one, being actually engineered rather than accidentally released by the lab, ‘not a scientifically accurate or viable theory.’”

@OliverHancock  
The US state department believes it was from the Wuhan Lab as well.

SARS-CoV-2, the disease that causes Covid-19, has nothing to do with the wet market.
 
@Nightweaver20xx  

 
I don’t know about that buddy. You sound ignorant, because there are actually hundreds of wet markets in the United States where animals are sold alive and sometimes slaughtered for purchase.
 
It most likely came from a cave back in 2013.
 
Then it was brought to the lab practically across the street in Wuhan for study, and escaped. I can’t find it at the moment, but there’s more evidence out there besides what I linked as well.
 
Anywho, by now it’s practically an open and shut case, but the media fought a war on this theory and it seems like everyone has forgotten to keep investigating and pressuring them for answers lately. We need to hold them accountable for their lab security/safety failure because China hasn’t learned from their mistakes when they’ve had other lab accidents before, and we need to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Everybody makes mistakes, but they have to be made to learn from them. This is the mistake of century.

@Goku Black  
This would never have happened if filthy, open-air lifestock “markets” weren’t allowed in what is supposedly a first-world nation. You don’t see shit like that in the U.S. for a very good reason. And no that’s not racist, that’s the truth.

Fuck China! And their stupid virus!