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Tagging Discussion » Character Tag Categorization. » Post 5
CruFox 
characters:
characters:
EDIT:
charactes:
I used the names from e621, using the full movie name in ( ) would be too long.
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kung fu panda - franchise characters:
master crane (kung fu panda) master mantis (kung fu panda) master monkey(kung fu panda) master po ping (kung fu panda) master shifu (kung fu panda) master tigress (kung fu panda) master viper (kung fu panda) tai lung (kung fu panda)x-com - franchisecall of duty - franchise characters:
riley (call of duty)EDIT:
spirit: stallion of the cimarron - movie, it’s from dreamworks animation charactes:
spirit (cimarron) rain (cimarron)I used the names from e621, using the full movie name in ( ) would be too long.
Tagging Discussion » Basic implications and aliases » Post 35
CruFox
Also the tag
And by the way:
Alias:
Implication
Short descrpiton for cloacal:
Detailed description for cloacal:
—
Remove alias:
because “anal masturbation” can be either with a toy (“anal insertion” + “masturbation”) or with a body part (“anal” + “masturbation”).
—–
EDIT2:
Implication:
Short description for oral insertion:
—––
EDIT 3:
Implication:
Alias:
Short description for urethral insertion:
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There is such thing as a dildo with two ends, the tag for that on Derpi is “
I’m writing about it because this sex toy it’s present on image >>44 and I don’t know how to tag it there ;)
Once it’s decided then “
—–
EDIT:
The tag
Implicaiton:
Also the detailed description of
doubleheaded dildo”, on e621 it is “double dildo”. I’m not a native English speaker so I can’t really judge it, but from what I can find in a dictionary it seems that the correct spelling of that word from Derpi tag would be “double-headed” with a “-” in between.I’m writing about it because this sex toy it’s present on image >>44 and I don’t know how to tag it there ;)
Once it’s decided then “
double ended dildo” should be probably aliased into whatever it is (it’s an alias that exists on e621).—–
EDIT:
The tag
varginal insertion incorrectly implies penetration, it should imply insertion instead, so:Implicaiton:
varginal insertion -> insertionAlso the detailed description of
varginal insertion is not accurate. It should be changed to:See vaginal for vaginal penetration with a body part instead of an object.
Also the tag
insertion lacks description. It should be like in penetration but inverted, so detailed description should be:Not to be used for body parts, for those see penetration.
And by the way:
Alias:
vaginal penetration -> vaginal oral penetration -> oral cloacal penetration -> cloacal cloaca penetration -> cloacalImplication
cloacal -> penetrationShort descrpiton for cloacal:
Cloacal sex or masturbation.
Detailed description for cloacal:
Used when any character in the image is penetrated cloacally (through cloaca) by a penis, tail, finger or a tentacle (something other than a toy). See cloacal insertion for use of a toy.
| Implication |
cloacal insertion -> insertion |
| Short description for cloacal insertion: |
For when sex toys and other objects are used cloacally (through cloaca.)
—
Remove alias:
anal masturbation -> anal insertionbecause “anal masturbation” can be either with a toy (“anal insertion” + “masturbation”) or with a body part (“anal” + “masturbation”).
—–
EDIT2:
Implication:
oral insertion -> insertionShort description for oral insertion:
For when sex toys and other objects are used orally.
—––
EDIT 3:
Implication:
urethral -> penetration urethral insertion -> insertionAlias:
urethral penetration -> urethralShort description for urethral insertion:
For when sex toys and other objects are used urethrally (through urethra.)
Urethral sex or masturbation.
Used when any character in the image is penetrated urethrally (through urethra) by a penis, tail, finger or a tentacle (something other than a toy). See urethral insertion for use of a toy.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 18
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 17
CruFox
anthro on anthro
should imply
anthro on feral
should imply
anthro on taur
should imply
feral on feral
should imply
human on anthro
should imply
human on feral
should imply
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Now what we kindly ask you is that if you could add these tags properly to existing images (any user can create a tag) and once they are all present on at least one image you link them back to us for implications and descriptions addition.
anthro on anthro
should imply
anthroanthro on feral
should imply
anthro, feralanthro on taur
should imply
anthro, taurferal on feral
should imply
feralhuman on anthro
should imply
human, anthro, interspecieshuman on feral
should imply
human, feral, interspeciesTagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 16
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 15
LightningBolt 
Senior Moderator
Emo siren
@Raptorshy
Same.
I also inadverdatly made a ‘pokephilia’ tag the other that should probaby be aliased into ‘human on pokemon’ to keep consistancy. provided it wasn’t already nuked from orbit, I didn’t check.
Same.
I also inadverdatly made a ‘pokephilia’ tag the other that should probaby be aliased into ‘human on pokemon’ to keep consistancy. provided it wasn’t already nuked from orbit, I didn’t check.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 14
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 13
CruFox
I’m glad to hear at least that is accepted. But I can see that you took only the ones I written down in my first post in this thread, but actually that list was just an example I copied from somewhere on e621 and those are not in the order of importance. For example “anthro on taur” has only 409 posts on e621. There is a tag
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I like tags
the following tags are approved:anthro on anthro
anthro on feral
anthro on taur
feral on feral
human on anthro
I’m glad to hear at least that is accepted. But I can see that you took only the ones I written down in my first post in this thread, but actually that list was just an example I copied from somewhere on e621 and those are not in the order of importance. For example “anthro on taur” has only 409 posts on e621. There is a tag
human on feral that has 22814 posts tagged with it on e621 so it’s more important to have that.Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 12
Fletch 
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Public Relations
Luna's Pet Woof
@CruFox
Hey
Don’t get us wrong, we do appreciate the feedback and suggestions but there’s balancing we’re trying to achieve, it doesn’t mean we’re against complex schemes it just means we’re praising the user experience across the board for others.
Intuitive systems are desired, but we’re also not going full simplistic in here, the following tags are approved:
anthro on anthro
anthro on feral
anthro on taur
feral on feral
human on anthro
Now what we kindly ask you is that if you could add these tags properly to existing images (any user can create a tag) and once they are all present on at least one image you link them back to us for implications and descriptions addition.
We appreciate the help and comprehension.
Cheers!
Hey
Don’t get us wrong, we do appreciate the feedback and suggestions but there’s balancing we’re trying to achieve, it doesn’t mean we’re against complex schemes it just means we’re praising the user experience across the board for others.
Intuitive systems are desired, but we’re also not going full simplistic in here, the following tags are approved:
anthro on anthro
anthro on feral
anthro on taur
feral on feral
human on anthro
Now what we kindly ask you is that if you could add these tags properly to existing images (any user can create a tag) and once they are all present on at least one image you link them back to us for implications and descriptions addition.
We appreciate the help and comprehension.
Cheers!
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 11
LightningBolt
Senior Moderator
Emo siren
@Raptorshy
I tagged so much on e621 in 2010 I got a privilaged level, and I created and propagated a lot of tags on Derpi over the years.
I tagged so much on e621 in 2010 I got a privilaged level, and I created and propagated a lot of tags on Derpi over the years.
Tagging Discussion » Basic implications and aliases » Post 33
CruFox
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I like tags
Getting back to the implications, regarding discussion from here:
and then consequently:
On Derpibooru it was
But then if you are going with simplifying the tags, then the last one is not needed, because “outdoors” + “sex” (or “indoors” + “sex”) just mean the same. And in this case - I would agree with that. The only situation where this combination would not work would and be ambiguous would be comics where on one page one panel shows something outdoors and other shows sex indoors, but there are 0 results for
And for the record: e621 uses
indoors or inside?outdoors or outside?and then consequently:
outdoor sex or outside sexsex outside?On Derpibooru it was
indoors, outdoors and outdoor sexBut then if you are going with simplifying the tags, then the last one is not needed, because “outdoors” + “sex” (or “indoors” + “sex”) just mean the same. And in this case - I would agree with that. The only situation where this combination would not work would and be ambiguous would be comics where on one page one panel shows something outdoors and other shows sex indoors, but there are 0 results for
outdoor sex, comic, indoors combination on Derpibooru anyway.And for the record: e621 uses
outside and inside, there is a tag outdoor sex but with only 100 posts it may very well be just people used to the Derpi tag using it also on e621 without checking if actually exists there. There is a tag called public with 14975 posts, but on Derpi there is a tag public sex that means exactly that (2814 posts). Interestingly on Derpibooru there is also a tag named just public (without the sex part) with no description so I have no idea what it’s intended purpose is, but out of 1289 pictures tagged with it 1138 are explicit.Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 10
Parashy 
@CruFox
If this is a flexing contest, I’ll tell you that I have 250,000 tag updates on e6 and organized dozens of large tag sets, making massive changes to how tags operate and function. And I can tell what works and what doesn’t work. I don’t mind a complex system as long as it doesn’t get to stupid levels, but you crawl before you walk.
If this is a flexing contest, I’ll tell you that I have 250,000 tag updates on e6 and organized dozens of large tag sets, making massive changes to how tags operate and function. And I can tell what works and what doesn’t work. I don’t mind a complex system as long as it doesn’t get to stupid levels, but you crawl before you walk.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 9
Anonymous #FB32
relevant email quote to this website right now
`
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
> Frederic told that the options from the PPD file are intentionally mot
> listed in the printing dialog, the usability team of GNOME was against
> listing these options. They clutter the dialog and can be more confusing
> than useful to the user.
`
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
> Frederic told that the options from the PPD file are intentionally mot
> listed in the printing dialog, the usability team of GNOME was against
> listing these options. They clutter the dialog and can be more confusing
> than useful to the user.
I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE.
This “users are idiots, and are confused by functionality” mentality of
Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don’t use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long
since reached the point where it simply doesn’t do what I need it to do.
Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don’t use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long
since reached the point where it simply doesn’t do what I need it to do.
Please, just tell people to use KDE.
Linus
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Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 8
CruFox
On safe or suggestive art, going by what I saw on Derpibooru, probably, it can be a problem. But I am talking about explicit posts. From what I observed they are usually properly tagged on Derpibooru. I made a contribution to it by having 18,120 metadata updates, vast majority of them on explicit posts.
It will be pain in the ass in the future to browse all that art that will accumulate over time and add missing tags to them when somebody in the future finally realize they are needed. I’d rather add them daily starting today. Because in the future somebody can use the argument of “it will be too much work to implement it now” so IMO better to make things right from the begging.
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Even then I expect most things might not even be tagged with human, anthro, feral, etc.
On safe or suggestive art, going by what I saw on Derpibooru, probably, it can be a problem. But I am talking about explicit posts. From what I observed they are usually properly tagged on Derpibooru. I made a contribution to it by having 18,120 metadata updates, vast majority of them on explicit posts.
and I’d rather push for that as a basis for bigger projects.
It will be pain in the ass in the future to browse all that art that will accumulate over time and add missing tags to them when somebody in the future finally realize they are needed. I’d rather add them daily starting today. Because in the future somebody can use the argument of “it will be too much work to implement it now” so IMO better to make things right from the begging.
Tagging Discussion » Character Tag Categorization. » Post 3
LightningBolt
It is so that there’s a consistency to character tags and so there isn’t any confusion over a character’s origins and to prevent any bias over who gets a ‘plain’ tag and who gets ()s.
Senior Moderator
Emo siren
The franchise will be in the implications.
It is so that there’s a consistency to character tags and so there isn’t any confusion over a character’s origins and to prevent any bias over who gets a ‘plain’ tag and who gets ()s.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 7
Parashy
@CruFox
Because we’re just starting out and that’s an advanced tagging project that will get forgotten about since no posts apply to most of them. Things can develop later if needed but right now this is overly complex for such a young site, and to be frank its hard to get people to tag gender, let alone know the tags for the exact interactions between the characters off the top of their head.
anthro_on_anthro
anthro_on_feral
anthro_on_taur
feral_on_feral
human_on_anthro
humanoid_on_anthro
I’m fine with these. They’re very general, useful, and not a lot to ask of people. Even then I expect most things might not even be tagged with human, anthro, feral, etc. and I’d rather push for that as a basis for bigger projects first.
Because we’re just starting out and that’s an advanced tagging project that will get forgotten about since no posts apply to most of them. Things can develop later if needed but right now this is overly complex for such a young site, and to be frank its hard to get people to tag gender, let alone know the tags for the exact interactions between the characters off the top of their head.
anthro_on_anthro
anthro_on_feral
anthro_on_taur
feral_on_feral
human_on_anthro
humanoid_on_anthro
I’m fine with these. They’re very general, useful, and not a lot to ask of people. Even then I expect most things might not even be tagged with human, anthro, feral, etc. and I’d rather push for that as a basis for bigger projects first.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 6
CruFox
Moderator
I like tags
@Raptorshy
I don’t expect all the tags I posted to be implemented. I included them in my post to show what’s already used on e621, website that was aggregating furry art for years. But between some of those overly specific tags there are very basic ones, like just
Or just even look at Derpibooru, how many posts there are:
Why go backwards and don’t even have tags of the type that are present on Derpibooru (X on Y action)?
EDIT: Also - just add a good detailed description to every tag, not like on Derpibooru where there is a lot of tags without even a basic one don’t have them. This will make things easier for users. I am heavily using e621 wiki pages that explains what tags are used where and all that.
You go into description of one tag and it gives you information about many similar tags, tags that should not be confused with it and the tags that should be used alongside.
No wonder users won’t be tagging things properly when they are not properly explained.
I don’t expect all the tags I posted to be implemented. I included them in my post to show what’s already used on e621, website that was aggregating furry art for years. But between some of those overly specific tags there are very basic ones, like just
"human on anthro" (28195 posts on e621 tagged with it) or "anthro on feral" (12164 posts on e621 tagged with it). I think those are really basic things, something that large number of furies would use.Or just even look at Derpibooru, how many posts there are:
Why go backwards and don’t even have tags of the type that are present on Derpibooru (X on Y action)?
EDIT: Also - just add a good detailed description to every tag, not like on Derpibooru where there is a lot of tags without even a basic one don’t have them. This will make things easier for users. I am heavily using e621 wiki pages that explains what tags are used where and all that.
You go into description of one tag and it gives you information about many similar tags, tags that should not be confused with it and the tags that should be used alongside.
No wonder users won’t be tagging things properly when they are not properly explained.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 5
Parashy
@CruFox
Simplicity is better than complexity. When I was still at e621 that was my motive and it’s extremely depressing to see it get overly complex. When you have so many tag sets you run the risk of them being useless unless you CONSTANTLY maintain them with tagging projects. And unlike e6 we don’t support non-staff with bulk tagging tools to help that even be possible.
Basically a few great tags are better than 3 dozen tags that only contain a fraction of the content they were looking for.
Simplicity is better than complexity. When I was still at e621 that was my motive and it’s extremely depressing to see it get overly complex. When you have so many tag sets you run the risk of them being useless unless you CONSTANTLY maintain them with tagging projects. And unlike e6 we don’t support non-staff with bulk tagging tools to help that even be possible.
Basically a few great tags are better than 3 dozen tags that only contain a fraction of the content they were looking for.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 4
CruFox
e621 has those complicated tags and it’s a very popular site
If you want it like this then maybe some tags that are considered “too specific” can be hidden by default and only turned on in the options by individual users who know what they are doing and want to have bigger control over their results? From my observation on e621 there is plenty of people adding those specific tags to images.
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@Luna
There have to be at least tags that could easily differientiate between situation of this type:
and of this type:
Please note that both of these images are tagged with the same combination of tags: “
––
UPDATE:
@Luna
There have to be at least tags that could easily differientiate between situation of this type:
and of this type:
Please note that both of these images are tagged with the same combination of tags: “
anthro, feral, dragon, horse, cowgirl position, anal, sex, male x male” and in both there are only two characters, but they are very, very different and it must be possible to filter one from the other.––
UPDATE:
@Luna
The simpler it is — the better, since it lowers the learning curve, and makes tags a lot less cluttered.
e621 has those complicated tags and it’s a very popular site
Cluttered tags aren’t any good either, and are a nightmare for both uploaders the moderators to maintain and enforce with little to no actual benefit.
If you want it like this then maybe some tags that are considered “too specific” can be hidden by default and only turned on in the options by individual users who know what they are doing and want to have bigger control over their results? From my observation on e621 there is plenty of people adding those specific tags to images.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "anthro on feral", "anthro penetrating X", male penetrating Y type tags » Post 3
Luna 
Administrator
Devops
@CruFox
We do not believe there is a pressing need for more specific tags, we like to keep tagging as simple as it can be. The simpler it is - the better, since it lowers the learning curve, and makes tags a lot less cluttered.
I understand what you mean, though, but I personally believe that no tech, no organisation method can be perfect. People can simply use their eyes to judge the content they see in the results, or exclude group sex tags from their searches. Either way, we do want to strike a balance between the level of tag detail, and simplicity. Cluttered tags aren’t any good either, and are a nightmare for both uploaders the moderators to maintain and enforce with little to no actual benefit.
There may be tags that correspond to group pictures, orgies, duos, triples, and so on, which may assist people in further narrowing down the content they wish to see.
We do not believe there is a pressing need for more specific tags, we like to keep tagging as simple as it can be. The simpler it is - the better, since it lowers the learning curve, and makes tags a lot less cluttered.
I understand what you mean, though, but I personally believe that no tech, no organisation method can be perfect. People can simply use their eyes to judge the content they see in the results, or exclude group sex tags from their searches. Either way, we do want to strike a balance between the level of tag detail, and simplicity. Cluttered tags aren’t any good either, and are a nightmare for both uploaders the moderators to maintain and enforce with little to no actual benefit.
There may be tags that correspond to group pictures, orgies, duos, triples, and so on, which may assist people in further narrowing down the content they wish to see.
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