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Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 161

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If people forget to tag human/bird/pony/rabbit, then add it for them. Implying it would make a mess of things for species swap.
 
Also, LB has threatened to ban anyone who attempts to be helpful adding species tags to pokemon if they dont have implications. So they’re kinda talking out of both sides of their mouth here.
 
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If there’s any thought that it’s worthwhile to separate out fiction and real species (like how the current setup with ‘scalie’ and ‘reptile’ separates reptiles and reptilians) then I will continue to argue that a better way would be using the broad ‘fictional species’ tag (with sub-tags if and as needed) and doing away with ‘scalie’ and ‘avian’, instead tagging ‘reptile’ and ‘bird’ et cetera. There’s something of a precedent for this, considering that the ‘original species’ tag already exists for specifically fan and fandom-created species.
 
If there’s not thought to be any use in separating them out, then ‘scalie’ for example isn’t really a helpful tag. If it only exists to apply to all species with scales, then perhaps simply a ‘scaled’ or ‘scales’ tag would be a better wording, and ‘reptile’ would still apply to fictional reptiles.

Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 160

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@Anonymous #B1D2  
the problem is by not implying the greater tag, it means that it will not show up for the majority of people who are after such content. If there’s an extranious tag, its much easier to catch and remove. If a tag is missing, it will not show up for people who might be inclined to fix said tag.
 
Also “Pokemon, species swap” its not gonna be that big of a category tbh. Especially pokemon, humanized.
 
Costumes have been tagged as species before, but if I put on a bluejay costume, that bluejay tag will imply bird as well.  
With that sort of logic, nothing should ever have an implication, because there are always edge cases.

Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 159

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Addtionally
 
@LightningBolt
 
@LightningBolt  
@CruFox
I have them imply for a reason as most results WILL be MLP ponies, and they can be removed if they are not. Implications are not a 100% thing, they are a 98% thing. On Derpi we imply genders from ships even tho they can be genderswapped, tags can be edited after the fact. There is a metric ton of MLP related unicorns and pegasi, but not a ton of non-pony versions, and those that are, just remove the added tag, not a big deal.
I thought ahead and thought about what will be most likely to occur. Implications are never devoid of incorrectness, you just cover what is most likely to happen.
 
 
So why one and not the other? eh?
 
Even if for some strange ass reason we’re not applying normal species logic here, where a species swap stops being a species, this would still hold.

Tagging Discussion » Species supertags » Post 40

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@Wingbeat  
I mean thats sort of the conclusion reached here among the rest, that we should ditch scalie/avian and just classify it into mammalian, reptile, dragon, bird, etc where appropriate.

Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 158

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@LightningBolt  
I agree with you; if the picture shows the Pokemon as a human, tag it human. If it shows up as a bird, tag it “bird”. If people forget to tag human/bird/pony/rabbit, then add it for them. Implying it would make a mess of things for species swap.
 
@Gyro  
How would anyone find specific Pokemon species swaps if you won’t tag them the species? How about costumes:  
 
In this case, are you saying it should not be tagged “bulbasaur” and “squirtle” because “they are not there”?
 
Can someone please do the following implications?  
arbok -> pokémon  
cofagrigus -> pokémon  
emboar -> pokémon  
weavile -> pokémon  
yamask -> pokémon  
I am uncertain if the character on the left is a Pokemon:  

Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 157

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A humanized serperior is not a serperior, anymore than a humanized cat is a cat. Same goes for any of the other pokemon. THey are at that point species swaps.

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@LightningBolt  
My position is this: I think the categories can be kinda useful or helpful, but I don’t think they’re either as tags themselves. We don’t really have a system for suggesting that certain tags get added alongside others, it either is or it isn’t. And when you’re painting with such broad strokes, it isn’t an awful lot of the time.
 
To be crystal clear: I also don’t think supertags are useful. At least, none of the ones that have appeared in this thread.
 
But I recognize the need that Gyro and others have pointed out, and that’s for some other way to group certain tags together that often - but not always - go together, or are subject to personal interpretation that might differ from the official interpretation. I just think the solution to this lies somewhere outside of the tagging system entirely - by which I mean leveraging the search functionality in some way. I’ve already suggested two ways we might go about it.

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This seems fairly good, if I may make on addition it’s that (if you weren’t already thinking this) ‘mythological species’ and ‘IP species’ (and ‘original species’ for fandom created species likes sergals or protogen) should both exist under a supertag ‘fictional species’. Makes it easier to exclude all fictional species from a particular search.
 
I agree.
 
@Gyro  
I honestly don’t know if “scalie” and “avian” should be tags. My intuition says that if you have those two tags, you should have a “mammal” tag and a “marine” tag, giving you a “Big Four”, and stopping there. I don’t think anyone wants this to explode into a million supertags, so I’ll try to find a more concrete justification for why you should or shouldn’t have a “Big Four”.

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Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] Piss related tags » Post 6

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@Wingbeat  
Fair point, not sure how to detail that properly, but I think perhaps moving some stuff around and adding bulletpoints will help.
 
For omorashi, just mainly following how Derpi does it right now, and the fetish name as it is most known, damn weeb words.
 
I’ll say that safe wetting will be rare in general to begin with, tho I’m just saying that as a cop-out really.

Tagging Discussion » Species Listing » Post 155

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Please treat them like character tags as people can change how a Pokemon looks and it may not be consistent with the canon look.  
ie, a humanized Serperior, it is no longer a scalie if it ever was.  
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Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] Piss related tags » Post 5

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@LightningBolt  
Here are the real big takeaways that I think need to come across:
 
  1. Not all urine-related fetishes are tagged watersports.  
  2. Some urine-related fetish tags imply watersports, and are never safe or suggestive.  
  3. What follows are several urine-related tags and how the ratings break down within each tag.
     
    Unfortunately, there’s a lot of detail on the reasoning behind the rating breakdowns and not a clear list of those 3 points first. I think your OP would be better off broken into two sections: First, the list of tags you’re covering (and which ones imply watersports + what the minimum rating is), then the detailed examples.
     
    As it stands, omorashi is the most confusing tag on the list and might be a candidate for aliasing to full bladder or the like, and I personally (and unofficially) disagree with wetting starting at safe for anything other than a wet diaper on a baby (which I know I have to specify because I know adult diapers are also a thing).

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@Gyro  
STOP with the extra species already.
 
Do I have to make a fucking Gif saying NO.
 
Minikyu isn’t even a specific shape it’ a fucking sghost under a cloth.

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@Wingbeat  
I tried to minimize the confusion by making it so no one has to specifically add the tag themselves. If someone is adding the tag manually, they probably messed up.
 
Now if only I could actually get that to come across…

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I feel like this all makes sense, but where you’re going to have the most trouble is in people thinking something is watersports because it’s a little fetish-y (like wetting, especially in combination with omorashi).
 
Do you think you could elaborate on that difference just a little more?
 
That is, clarify that omorashi is its own fetish but not automatically explicit, just as morbidly obese is a fetish that typically gets the questionable rating, or however you’re making the distinction

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Tagging Discussion » Species supertags » Post 35

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@DerpyFast  
This seems fairly good, if I may make on addition it’s that (if you weren’t already thinking this) ‘mythological species’ and ‘IP species’ (and ‘original species’ for fandom created species likes sergals or protogen) should both exist under a supertag ‘fictional species’. Makes it easier to exclude all fictional species from a particular search.
 
But also yes, as Gyro says, part of this initial proposal was to do away with ‘scalie’ and ‘avian’ and have fictional species such as Argonians or Chozo imply ‘reptile’ and ‘bird’ respectively. That’s the real crux of the issue, and some kind of consensus as far as whether or not ‘scalie’ and such should be removed is the ultimate end here. As it stands, there’s some support for the idea of a broad fictional species tag or tags, but there’s been no definite plan to change the current status quo, at least on the part of the site staff.

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