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Luna
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@CuauhtemocI5MAL
You speak like making a new booru is as easy as just flipping a lightswitch. We have to discuss internal policy, tagging, guidelines, rules - even if a lot of it can be brought over from Furbooru. Not to mention, we also need to find volunteers willing to moderate a site like that. And I haven’t even said anything about the technical infrastructure side of things.
Allowing AI images here in the meantime will only create MORE work for us (instead of simply cleanly having a dedicated place for AI, we now would have to migrate posts, and delete them from here, thus forcing users to lose their upvotes and faves of these images).

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CuauhtemocI5MAL

Victorio115
Does Furbooru have a sister site for AI art? I know AI art is no longer allowed on Furbooru itself, but I was wondering if a separate site for AI art was created. For example, Derpibooru set up Tantabus.
@HussarZwei
We are currently holding internal discussions as to implementing an AI-only booru for furries. There is no ETA or fixed timeline yet.
If making an AI-only booru is going to take a long time, I propose AI Generated artworks being allowed here again and disallow them once that booru is created.

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Luna
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Birthday Fur - Joined within the first year of the site operation and has had significant amount of activity as of June 1, 2021.
Derpy Fur - Prevented Furbooru's terrible fate in April of 2021.
Astra - Helped choose the name for our mascot - Astra.
Passing of the Eclipse - Joined within the first month of public opening and has had at least some activity as of August 3, 2020.
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Since the Beginning - Registered before the site was public
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@HussarZwei
We are currently holding internal discussions as to implementing an AI-only booru for furries. There is no ETA or fixed timeline yet.

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Zaknel
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Please, speak with me.
I’m developing a fascination with having OCs of venomous creatures. Out of all venomous creatures, which ones do you think would be the best?

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Does Furbooru have a sister site for AI art? I know AI art is no longer allowed on Furbooru itself, but I was wondering if a separate site for AI art was created. For example, Derpibooru set up Tantabus.

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MoonOtter
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Moon.
@Kitsunegi
Quietly amused, if anything. That one comment, as you were leaving mind you, would send you on such a fruitless crusade is rather impressive. It speaks to both remarkably thin skin AND a passionate dedication to underaged explicit images. If you’ve anything else wise to say, again this isn’t policy discussion and the convo is likely to be stopped by mods, I’d make a new topic or take it to DMs.

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MoonOtter
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Moon.
@Kitsunegi
So I’m not going to engage you much further, you’re clearly entrenched in your own opinion and expecting a fight agaist others about it. I do want to clarify: I was playing devils advocate, if you’re not familiar with he phrase it means I’m taking a position I don’t believe to help see the flaws in an argument. Regaedless, If you truly read my statement you’d realize I was NOT saying you support Nazis whatsoever, but that by your logic supporting underaged pornograpy could be applied just as easily to Nazi imagery, content you explicitly said you support banning. If you can’t look critically at yourself, how do you think you can come onto others website and argue agaist their policies?
And before you say it, no I’m not staff here, but I’ve been using this site for years and I enjoy it. They’ve been good to me and I try to be good to them.

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>But if you choose to use it, please do follow our rules.
So far I have not posted or uploaded any kind of visual media that goes against Rule 5.
And apparently “Cub” is fine here so long as there is no nudity or “suggestive” lewdness.
I take that to mean that if I were to upload images of canonically “Cub” characters, SO LONG AS THERE IS NO NUDITY OR SUGGESTIVE ACTIVITY portrayed in that drawing, then it would be fine? No Harm, No Foul?

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Ciaran
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Draw or die
… I disagree with the entire concept & Twitter / Tumblr Trend
Then don’t use those sites, I guess?
May as well just go the extra step and pre-emptively conform to the “no porn, period” policy in advance, I guess.
That’s a state law, in a different country. It doesn’t affect this site - just people who live in that state.
It’s fine if you don’t agree with this site’s rules. No one is making you use this site. But if you choose to use it, please do follow our rules.

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Classic “Straw Man Argument” (and do forgive the fact that Rational Wiki is currently down for maintenance, it will probably be back up later)…
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“A Straw Man is a logical fallacy or propaganda tactic in which someone misrepresents an opposing argument as a weaker version, sometimes intentionally, and rebuts said version — rather than their opponent’s genuine argument.”
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This is an attempt to pull the ole “switcheroo” and swap the thing the opponent is debating with a much worse thing. Like if person A says “I think video games should be legal” and person B says “oh, well why not just legalize outright murder then?” or something equal to that effect….
Heck, you could even take a piece of my words out of context and spin it and weave it and say “Well what about A.I. Generated Stuff? You said “as long as no real person is harmed” and “vegan hamburger VS real one” and if A.I. generated images are fabricated then you’re okay with that, right?”
Nope! Absolutely nope - nope - nope. That’s a “Straw Man.”
Taking my words and spinning it and trying to say “well you support this!” - No I do not.
The ONLY thing I support is fictional hand drawn cartoon drawings, NOT any kind of highly photo-realistic image meant to resemble an actual person. And the United States Government also agrees on that, they DO treat A.I. generated as being no different from actual CSEM, but currently CARTOON DRAWINGS are not treated that way…
So presently, nobody in the United States is going to go to jail for owning a physical printed paper copy of “Sheath & Knife” by Harmarist, or “Oh Brother” by Wolfblade… as NEITHER of those comics contain any kind of hyper-realistic image that the average viewer would conclude is an image of a REAL HUMAN PERSON….
And saying that I support FICTIONAL FURRY ART is not the same as saying anything else… You cannot Straw Man or False Equivalence Fallacy my words… (well you CAN, but I will pick up on it immediately) … I do not support fascist ideologies, and also guess what – the concept of censoring “degenerate art?” yeah, that was a Fascist concept too.
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And those “Project 2025” people? They want to ban ALL of your porn, not just the “problematic” stuff.
They want to ban ALL of it… everything that isn’t “Pure and Godly” they want it GONE…
And it isn’t just the legislators trying to do it, Visa and Mastercard are doing it too.
This is like saying “We’re a CHRISTIAN credit card company / online payment company, and WE will not let you buy that Slayer CD or that Marilyn Manson CD, because WE do not agree with the lyrical content of those music albums.”
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I’m well aware that “this is an EU located website” and I acknowledged all of that on the previous page in the previous comment, I am simply expressing my opinion that any law that seeks to put someone in jail over a fictional furry comic is absolutely stupid.
Near / Byuu, the late (deceased) Emu-Dev and RPG fan translator had a similar opinion to my own…
And I suspect that it was these views that made Near / Byuu such a massive shiny target for 4chan and K.F.
“The law is the law” – yes, the law is the law in France and the law is the law in America.
Different countries have different laws… American law is, at least, for now, more logical about the subject.
(we ditched the “fictional furry drawings are the same thing as CSEM” laws, they were ruled Unconstitutional).
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OBVIOUSLY it is YOUR website and as the owners of it, YOU get to choose what stays and what goes, but I disagree with the entire concept & Twitter / Tumblr Trend of comparing fictional cartoon art (harms nobody, cuz cartoon characters are not real) to actual CSEM that, by its very nature, requires the harm of an ACTUAL person in its process of creation)…. it is an absurd False Equivalence Fallacy, like comparing a Vegan Hamburger to actual animal slaughter… and no, I’m not a Vegan, I’m just using the concept for a metaphorical comparison.
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Regardless, your copy pasted argument has no merit, mainly because you completely ignored the fact this is an EU based website. American laws certainly don’t apply here, yeah? The rest is your opinion, sure, but policy is policy and the law is the law. The rest is your opinion, you’re entitled to it, but its just that.

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MoonOtter
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Moon.
So, to play devils advocate here, you could make the same argument about Nazi imagery. The same argument I’ve seen to advocate for cub art I’ve seen for Nazi imagery. “It’s just a drawing”, yup, seen that. “It’s not real, it can’t hurt you”, all the time. “I just like ‘x’ about it, not the actual thing!”, the most common one for both. So by arguing for the inclusion of the imagery of sexualized children but condemning Nazi imagery on these grounds you’re being hypocritical.
Regardless, your copy pasted argument has no merit, mainly because you completely ignored the fact this is an EU based website. American laws certainly don’t apply here, yeah? The rest is your opinion, sure, but policy is policy and the law is the law. The rest is your opinion, you’re entitled to it, but its just that.
At any rate, this isn’t technically a policy discussion thread so it’s likely we’d have to move this conversation anyways.

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Nazi content is obviously a big bad no-go and personally I think Elon should face criminal charges or an investigation into his connections to far right groups…
As for the Cub Artwork, my opinion is that it is fictional – and it’s (currently) the same opinion the United States Legal System has about it too….
Resources:
18 U.S. Code § 2256 – Section 9 and Section 11
Section 11: “The term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an Actual Person engaged in explicit conduct.”
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Section 9: ”“identifiable minor”— (A) means a PERSON— (i) (I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or (II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and (ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic.”
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Forgive me for getting super technical about this – but Tails, Klonoa, Buster Bunny and Kit Cloudkicker and other “Too Cute, Too Short Looking” furry characters are not “people” but rather fictional imaginary creations that bear no resemblance to any specific existing human person… If you’re just drawing already established fictional characters from a well known TV series or a video game or a movie – I see no harm in that, but if it’s deliberately drawing SOMEONE ELSE’S personally established Fursona that is specific to THEM, without asking prior permission, and doing it purely out of spite or malice, then yes – I can see how that would be a problem.
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Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition
“Persons of ordinary intelligence can discern whether a depiction is virtually indistinguishable from a photograph of a Real Person engaged in explicit conduct.”
“Congress intended for both prohibitions to reach a narrow category of material – depictions that are “virtually indistinguishable to the unsuspecting viewer from un-retouched photographic images of a Real Person engaging explicit conduct.”
In less complicated words, it means: “The average person can tell a clear difference between a drawing of fictional two-tailed fox from a video game, and a photo of an actual human being.”
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My opinion about the Laws in other countries – Any government that would waste resources and money going after people purely for CARTOON FICTION is entirely moronic and honestly evil. I do not think people should be arrested over cartoon drawings (unless those drawings promote Hate Symbols or Racist Ideologies, sure, go after THAT)….
Someone drawing artwork of Tails and Sonic “yiffing” is not committing a crime (well of course, I would get different opinions and responses to that statement on Tumblr and Twitter, but I disregard their opinions as hysterical “internet puritan” fiction cop hogwash).
The mere idea that someone in ANY country (thankfully not the USA, yet) could go to jail or prison simply for owning a fictional furry comic such as “Sheath & Knife” by Harmarist, or “Oh Brother” by Wolfblade, is quite honestly absurd and insane…. it’s a cartoon comic with fictional anthro animal people in it… nothing about it is real. It’s fiction.
I don’t believe in the concept of “Thought Crime” well I mean, it is a concept, but it’s one I do not feel aligned with and feel very strongly AGAINST… and so did Near / Byuu (R.I.P. good friend).
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I’ve noticed a Double Standard when it comes to fiction… I do not see why we don’t also treat Vore, or Macro Furry Godzilla Style City Smashing with the same level of scorn and hate…. after all, “if you like it in art, you’d probably jump at the chance to do it for real” as the saying on Twitter and Tumblr goes….
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Laws that punish people over art (unless it’s art that is full of hateful symbols or promoting racist idealogies) is a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money… even FBI workers are like “Yeah, please stop sending us reports about cartoon porn, we can’t really do anything about that…”
There was already an artist on Inkbunny from the country of France named “Bunny Bits” who nearly got arrested and thrown in jail for drawing artwork of fictional cartoon rabbit people… it was only thanks to their lawyer that they avoided doing time in jail over COMPLETELY FICTIONAL CARTOON ART…
Do laws against such art exist in other countries that AREN’T the United States? Yes… Canada, France, UK, Australia, Sweden, and Italy… but I also think those laws are stupid. The law enforcement departments should be going after the people who create and share ACTUAL CSEM that requires the harm of a real person, not some random furry artist drawing Klonoa Yiff that harms literally No One.
But hey, with the way the whole “Project 2025” thing is going, perhaps we will see a revival of such pointless laws here in America… but that’s not just going to effect “problematic cartoons” but literally ANY kind of lewd lascivious content.
May as well just go the extra step and pre-emptively conform to the “no porn, period” policy in advance, I guess.
And after you reach the bottom of the “Purity Spiral” – and everything is “problematic” and everything must be purged… then you wind up with a website like Fur Affinity, where only the most vanilla & normie art can be posted….
It’s also the same Purity Spiral that the once great “Fchan” went down back in the early 2000s.
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OBVIOUSLY it is YOUR website and as the owners of it, YOU get to choose what stays and what goes, but I disagree with the entire concept & Twitter / Tumblr Trend of comparing fictional cartoon art (harms nobody, cuz cartoon characters are not real) to actual CSEM that, by its very nature, requires the harm of an ACTUAL person in its process of creation)…. it is an absurd False Equivalence Fallacy, like comparing a Vegan Hamburger to actual animal slaughter… and no, I’m not a Vegan, I’m just using the concept for a metaphorical comparison.

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Luna
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@Kitsunegi
Sexualized underage content like cub, lolicon or foalcon is a big legal grey area in our jurisdiction (EU). In order to avoid future grievances and clashes with the hammer of law, we have decided to steer clear of it. Similarly, due to nazi content being illegal in certain EU member states like Germany, which some of the site management is from, it similarly falls under Rule #5, which is meant to protect the site from illegal content / legal trouble.

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