Concerning Rule Changes on Banning Human on Feral Porn.

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Copyright issues are almost always handled with civil suits, if they even go that far which is rare. This is a criminal matter.
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I’m aware, I was just providing it for the sake of an example, I didn’t mean for you to look at it more closely than what I presented, since it was my way of showing you that this content promotes and glorifies behavior that is legitimately illegal where we are hosted, and we would like to avoid any legal trouble. Additionally this site is no place for any content glorifying zoophilia or pedophilia, and if you’re into that please find a different imageboard that is okay with such content, because we’re not.
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I mean I think banning lolli is itself harmful as many a psychological study has seemed to indicate, but that’s not the topic at hand.
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I see people claiming that all the time, but they always fail to provide any evidence that depictions of such things actually have a causal relationship to making people commit real-life zoophilia.
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Unfortunately not an argument the arresting officers are going to care to hear while they confiscate all electronic devices the admins possess.
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Art can be non-fictional. Filming, photography, literature concerning real happenings, etc.. I know you meant drawings, but I had to point it out. (But even then there’s the technique of drawing over photographies.)
 
@Anonymous #EA4B  
This pretty much. I don’t know why the rule change is there, but I guess it has to do with laws, and if someone gets pissed, they’ll look at the pictures, and not whatever stories people invented.
 
I personally would have guessed either none of the lions or all except the last one.  
And the jackalope would be not okay to me in my opinion, just like putting cat ears and a tail on an underage human character.
 
Other than that about real but extinct animals, such as dinosaurs?
 
At another note, if I got that rule correctly, I assume that means two animals doing it like animals - or anthropomorphic with animal - would still be okay?
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I don’t really care about what causes people to do what, I’m running a site and I need to make decisions on what kind of content I want to distribute.  
And yes read what Teaspoon replied to you with.
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Hello there everyone!
 
There’s been some heated discussions here, and before anything it is important to calm down and think objectively on the intent of the recent rule #5 additions. Primary reasoning was to consolidate the previous section of the rule that already forbids the real life photos/videos of the subject.
 
Some recent events helped us take notice regarding zoophilia and consider the laws of the country our servers are located in, it was made necessary to ensure that the imagery doing realistic portraiting of bestiality wasn’t hosted on the site.
 
We do greatly appreciate the feedback and attention everyone has given us here and thanks to it we were able to clarify the text, improving on it and making it easier to understand to all users by specifying what it really means. The revised rule text now reads as follows:
 
Do not upload art that’s meant to realistically emulate bestiality (humans x lifelike feral animals in sexual situations).
 
So this is not about the sapience of a feral character, it is about this specific theme. The problem only arises if the art specifically depicts itself as realistic real life bestiality. Anything else is fair game.
 
This thread will remain open for further discussion and feedback, however the rule is already in effect. If you have any doubts whether something breaks the new rule - please report the image through the proper means (the report button). You may also wish to give the Lifelike Feral - General Thread thread a read if you’re in doubt whether or not an image should be tagged as such.
 
I appreciate everyone’s comprehension and engagement!
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Do not upload art that’s meant to realistically emulate bestiality (humans x lifelike feral animals in sexual situations).
So this is not about the sapience of a feral character, it is about this specific theme. The problem only arises if the art specifically depicts itself as realistic real life bestiality. Anything else is fair game.
 
 
Lifelike feral still has sapience as a requirement. Which means its still about character sapience. You may want to revise further.
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@Gyro
 
I think the tagging example is definitely what throws it. Any speficic definition of what qualifies is most definitely going to cause weasel issues. a “know it when you see it” test might be applicable here, since like was pointed out, a jackalope isn’t a “lifelike feral” nor is say an eeveelution.
 
Something to the effect of “Do not upload art that’s meant to realistically emulate bestiality” with either no additional qualifications, or a detailed list might be the better way to go such as  
  • “feral character is acting in a distressed or neutral manner”  
  • “feral character is realistically rendered to resemble a real animal”  
  • “feral character is not otherwise clearly coded as sapient by context”  
  • “feral character has animalistic genitalia”  
  • “at least one character participating is human” just as an example. Possibly;y even include a Harkness test in the rule
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Hello, I understand why this rule is being put in place but I want to clarify what exactly does qualify under ‘sexual act between a human and a lifelike “feral” animal’. For the purpose of it I will post few links from FurAffinity as examples, and if even linking some of them may cause problems feel free to edit them out of this post.
 
First of all, I believe any fantasy animal, be thier unicorn, a dragon, a gryphon or MLP pony or zebra or any other character from such aren’t restricted and can be freely be posted in artwork that depicts them engaging in sex with humanoids (also I assume the rule includes any near human humanoids like elves or orcs), even if they’re not talking to show their sapience or are shown in scenarios of dubious consent.  
Also I believe pictures of real life “feral” animals that do not contain humanoids engaging in sexual acts with said animal are free to post, including pin ups showing their genitalia, the character masturbating or engaging in sexual act with some other animal character.  
Now, the most easiest case for when an otherwise animal looking character may not fall under this rule - when they show clear intelligence by talking in the picture. Like this https://www.furaffinity.net/view/31810357/ or this https://www.furaffinity.net/view/28816738/ Both show that is pretty much a horse in some manner of sexual contact with a humanoid, but they, in addition to human like emoting, talk, either complete sentences or exclamations like “Yes!” or “Oh god!”.  
Then there’s examples where animal character emotes but doesn’t talk, but they use non animal exclamations like “ah”, for example https://www.furaffinity.net/view/28075587/  
Also, just the pictures without verbal text at all, but with the characters showing human like emotions, eyes or blushing https://www.furaffinity.net/view/36338319/ https://www.furaffinity.net/view/26810856/ And then there’s also images that have animal character “behaving in non animal way”, as was said in discord in reference to the animation of a (non feathered) raptor performing a blowjob, so perhaps the previous picture of a horse in reverse cowgirl on a bed or this picture of an animal character grinning and propping up humanoid character so he can engage in sexual activity with other animal character https://www.furaffinity.net/view/37619736/  
There’s also this image https://www.furaffinity.net/view/36240098/ where the animal character is in non animal or realistic situation, but is not showing clear consent, so it only leaves such characteristics as human like eyes and emoting.  
In the same vein there’s this picture with a character that passes a few of previous milestones and in general depicted as sapient but not talking, coming up to the human character and performing blowjob, which is not something animals regularly do, while looking up to PoV with human like eyes.  
Also, what about sequences of images? For example here the previous character exclaiming and emoting in human like way https://www.furaffinity.net/view/37928290/ and here’s the next image where we only see a close up of her genitalias and humanoid penis penetrating it. If, let’s say, individual pictures of former scenario were okay to post and the later wasn’t, would the fact that these pictures are in sequence matter, thus allowing the latter too? And it actually very important question, since a close up like that could be in a sequences of images that has animal “feral” character who talks and behaves in non animal like manner or even with a fantasy creature, for example a picture of a humanoid engaging in sex with a unicorn and the next picture that is close up of their genitalia touching, which can look like a picture of a regular horse, for example. This also may present a situation where a comic page as the whole may be okay to post, but a single cropped panel isn’t.
 
Sorry for slightly disjointed post, hope it will help to clear at least some vagueness.
Anonymous #3B40
Guys, chill.
 
Zoo/beast is illegal in vast vast vast majority of countries.
 
You’re splitting hairs over a non-issue.
Anonymous #9577
The fact that something is illegal doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Something completely fictional and not promoting a hateful ideology should never be illegal.
 
However, I can see why, for that reason, the site feels they can’t host it.
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